Topic: Who is the third fragment? (Read 1325 Times)
Posted: Jun 17 2002, 02:17 PM
Brickhouse
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Here's something I'm wondering.

In The Inferno Begins, the narrator-- who I'm pretty sure is Lucius-- says the first fragment is War and the second is Nameless. But he says the third, then, is me. Does this mean Lucius is Conquest, Famine, or Death? Is he also the 'Pig Bruiser' that the Horsemen mention later? Eugene also calls him 'Pig Bruiser' right?

Brickhouse
Posted: Jun 17 2002, 02:31 PM
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Is he Conquest, Famine, or Death... that's the deep question. He wanders Earth, surrounded by death... does that make him Death? There's little talk of food, so I don't really see him being Famine. But Conquest... yes, I believe he is Conquest. He meets so many strange figures, like Chorus, Isis, the Pig King, Veles, Canio. And he conquers them all. Nobody truly defeats him, he always keeps going. And at the end, he's at the foot of Yggdrasil in a new world. The foot of the World Tree... the ultimate throne for Lucius the hero.

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Posted: Jun 17 2002, 02:44 PM
Brickhouse
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I love that! Lucius the hero, Lucius the conqueror!

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Posted: Jun 17 2002, 02:56 PM
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Is he Conquest, Famine, or Death... that's the deep question. He wanders Earth, surrounded by death... does that make him Death? There's little talk of food, so I don't really see him being Famine. But Conquest... yes, I believe he is Conquest. He meets so many strange figures, like Chorus, Isis, the Pig King, Veles, Canio. And he conquers them all. Nobody truly defeats him, he always keeps going. And at the end, he's at the foot of Yggdrasil in a new world. The foot of the World Tree... the ultimate throne for Lucius the hero.

I don't think he conquers Chorus or Isis, and he definitely doesn't conquer Canio.
Chorus asks him to slay the cyclops, and he does, he literally does as she asks. We hear her voice haunting him later in Tired Anthem, "Trapped in birth, aging illness death... In suffering, you're mine." That says it all. She conquers him.
And Isis, what do we really know about it? It shows up at the end of Infenro, it tells Lucius the state of the world. Lucius doesn't fight or argue or contradict. There's.. nothing to conquer. Isis is merely "there."
And Canio... well, Canio turns into a bird and flies away at the last minute. A mockingbird. He mocks Lucius. He transcends, I'm pretty sure he gets away with everything. He's the real victor of the story!

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